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Title: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 17, 2011, 03:48:47 PM
We'll we did it. Hope those who made it had a great time, and those who didn' plan for next year. Yes, we all have already planned that next year there will be a second annual DDSR Moab trip. Thanks to Jerry and David who not only had the most excellent site set up, but also hosted a really great welcome meal for everyone. Also thanks to Matt for his great guiding. We rode a lot of fun stuff, with a lot more to do next year. We will al let Josh tell why we have downgraded from helicoptors to ambulances. He did let Plumber Mike ride his "not so new anymore" 800 back from Moab. ;)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 17, 2011, 05:00:29 PM
I will try to get a share site up to post my photos. Anyone should be able to add to it, or get any of the photos they want.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 17, 2011, 05:04:50 PM
You didn't waste any time. I just had to have a nap in my BED.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 17, 2011, 05:06:44 PM
some actions shots
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 17, 2011, 05:10:48 PM
a few more
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 17, 2011, 06:19:51 PM
I'm not seeing any pics   ???

Quote from: jacin theis on May 17, 2011, 03:48:47 PM
We will al let Josh tell why we have downgraded from helicoptors to ambulances. He did let Plumber Mike ride his "not so new anymore" 800 back from Moab. ;)

WTF???  Is he OK?
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 17, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
wierd, the pics show to me. might need some technical help. Josh is fine, his pride is a little bruised though. He highsided while coming down the mountain into Castle Valley on some asphalt. Smashed his shoulder pretty good, scrambled his mellon, and broke in his bike the hard way with around 1200 miles on it. After an abulance ride, a CT scan and xrays, he was released. We loaded Mikes bike in his pickup, and Mike road Josh's bike with me on a senic 500 mile loop trough Colorado. The nice thing is he didnt crash ion some remote area, the bad part is that he crashed with an injury. Still, all in all, lots of fun. We hope to get more people to come next year. I know the date was early with school age kids for some, but it was already boardering on too hot for many of us.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 17, 2011, 07:20:27 PM
Man, that's a bummer!  Heal quick Josh! Good to hear the GS is still ride-able though.

Jacin - where are your pics hosted?  Maybe you could post a link for me. Thx.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on May 17, 2011, 07:56:12 PM
Glad you guys had a great time, sorry to hear about the wreck. I'll try to be in for next year. thats one place I've always thought about but never got to.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: David on May 17, 2011, 09:14:42 PM
Jacin, your photos look great. Good to hear Josh is okay. I will try to get some of my pictures posted soon. I know my dad and I both really enjoyed the trip and appreciate the planning you did to get us all down there at the same time.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 07:50:47 AM
These were the last two pics in my camera ??? I'll get more up soon. A HUGE THANKS TO ALL WHO CAME TOGETHER TO MAKE FOR A GREAT AND MUCH NEEDED VACATION.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_bL71f9ldVN4/TdO_XAIVnAI/AAAAAAAABKg/ux9F7nHVA2Y/s800/IMG_1581.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_bL71f9ldVN4/TdO_amUEGwI/AAAAAAAABKk/mK3TDbKGW4Q/s800/IMG_1582.JPG)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 08:11:42 AM
....and a big thanks to the man who planted the seed at the fall rally....a true adventure rider.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_bL71f9ldVN4/TdO_F5zI5xI/AAAAAAAABKc/eZy6VU2V8Pg/s800/IMG_1569.JPG)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 08:15:58 AM
....and a big thanks to Gerry and David for finding THE finest campsite in Moab. This was a warm welcome after a 750 mile journey.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_bL71f9ldVN4/TdPEkoi2VuI/AAAAAAAABK4/RZ7aBz0ajFA/s800/IMG_1512.JPG)
....and thanks for the great supper after a long day on the road.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 08:20:34 AM
.....and a big thanks to Matt for his over the top planning and navigation skills. We got to do some great rides, but we haven't even tapped in to what the area has to offer.And a big thanks goes out to Matt's wife for the fine accomodations at "Beach Snook" It's a perfect in between spot for weary DDSR riders going to and from Moab ;D
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_bL71f9ldVN4/TdPEssDTomI/AAAAAAAABK8/9kH_01RaSCo/s800/IMG_1525.JPG)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 08:26:56 AM
....and to those who didn't make it. YOU MISSED OUT :P We really do have an awesome group of really great people. Even the "Pedal Heads" were all great guys ;) I'm exicted for next year already.


(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_bL71f9ldVN4/TdPE0LhVsTI/AAAAAAAABLA/pR8FCn51_cc/s800/IMG_1527.JPG)

.....Number Two. Hope your OK. Sorry you couldn't make it.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 08:45:51 AM
I can't believe people were mountain biking this :o It was a workout on the MC's
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_bL71f9ldVN4/TdPMwNG77zI/AAAAAAAABLg/L-konL99ex4/s800/IMG_1560.JPG)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Sportfaller on May 18, 2011, 08:52:40 AM
I'm back at work today, but not doing a lot, very stiff today. ATGATT, saved my ass!
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 09:53:21 AM
Lost and found- Is someone missing a little Cabela's chair? Come to the spring rally to claim it  :D
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 18, 2011, 10:06:48 AM
Hey, I can see Mike's pics just fine!  Soooo, when are we doing this next year?  Around the same time?  I would love to start planning now so I can maybe get away from work and do it.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on May 18, 2011, 11:44:10 AM
My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 18, 2011, 12:32:02 PM
OK guys, i have almost completed a share site at shutterfly. the site is:  http://ddsrmoab2011.shutterfly.com/

password is "dualsport"

I will have it completed tonight i hope. you are all welcome to upload all your photos there. that way we can all print or download from the same location.

I think next year same time or a week earlier. We had tough weather getting there, but it was already close to too hot. Mike and i are already planning to haul more bikes and gear, allowing anyone who wants to ride to do so with out a large load. It also was great for the recovery for Josh.
I also will vote to stay at a campground in town. The river site was AWSOME, but i do like my showerevery day. i think it will also help us to all get on the traisl before 10:00 each day. "Motivate" as Matt would say!

I would also suggest everyone plan to have a mesh armored jacket or compression suit. A few of us got lax and rode in jerseys and t-shirts, but after the speeds we ran and Josh's crash, i will not do so again.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Sportfaller on May 18, 2011, 03:56:25 PM
my pics are up!

http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g225/sportfaller/Moab/?start=all (http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g225/sportfaller/Moab/?start=all)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 18, 2011, 05:20:24 PM
Sharesite at Shutterfly is up!

Sportfaller, Cant get it to open, can you add them to the share site at
http://ddsrmoab2011.shutterfly.com/pictures
password is : dualsport.

We can all use this site to collect all the photos.

Thought about seeing how you were when i drove through Hill City today. hope you feel better soon. What did your insurance agent say?
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: David on May 18, 2011, 10:06:58 PM
I just added all the photos my Dad and I took on the days we rode together to the Shutterfly site.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: David on May 18, 2011, 10:17:54 PM
One picture I wish I had to add was what a local was up to on one of the rock crawling trails we passed when dropping the mountain bikers off for their ride.

Luckily I found a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHvXi_HejnI&feature=related) of the same guy to share.  :)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on May 18, 2011, 10:34:31 PM
Now thats funny....I don't care who ya are!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 19, 2011, 08:05:04 AM
Thanks for sharing photos David, you guys took some great shots. I love the video!   Now we need to get Rich's, Josh's, Mikes, and Matt's.   I dont thinnk Matt will post the crash aftermath until Sportfaller gives him permission. Privacy issues you know......
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 19, 2011, 10:55:28 AM
Great pics everyone!  Really makes me want to get out to that area (I've never been).

Jacin - what camera are you using?  Those are some really great shots.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Sportfaller on May 19, 2011, 01:39:47 PM
my pics are up, Matt, you can go ahead and post the crash pics, I'll share my hard earned knowledge of protective equipment!
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 19, 2011, 02:45:03 PM
Yeti, i use a Cannon Rebel XTI. It definatly can do more than i can. There is a rock skyline photo in there that David and my friend Tony did a 14 minute exposure of. The desert sky at night was awesome.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 19, 2011, 03:11:59 PM
Figured that had to be a DSLR.  I'm considering the Panasonic GH2, G3 or this more point 'n' shoot like Olympus XZ-1.  Can't decide:

(http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/olympus-xz-1-camera.jpg)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 19, 2011, 05:34:45 PM
the point and shoots are nice for traveling and riding shots, and are getting pretty good about color etc.. it depends on what you want to do with it. the longer lenses of DLSRs are nice, but i didnt change the lens once this trip. i also didnt get the riding shots that Josh got.

Where are Richs and Matts photos? i cant wait!
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on May 20, 2011, 12:54:20 AM
Yeti, I'd suggest the Panasonic. They are easy to use, have some great features and take quite good photos. I've been looking at that one myself.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 20, 2011, 09:53:01 AM
After some more research yesterday, i've found out that the video on the XZ-1 blows.  Now considering the Panasonic LX5.  Almost as good of pics as the XZ-1 with much better video performance.  Around $470.

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZcfyUTCnffxRfBxO9kd8IpH5Z8O4HFWWunK8H5kASrRSkNxYNaA)


The 4/3rds cams (G3 & GH2) are a bit out of my price range ($700 and $1000), but the GH2 is definitely my current 'dream' camera.  Although you can't get one anywhere!  Been outa stock for about 3 months now.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: loingrader on May 21, 2011, 10:35:14 AM
awesome pics guys.  looks like one heck of a great time.  this ddsr moab ride definitely needs to be recurring.

what were the thoughts on those who rode out and back vs hauling?  it's a bit of a trip on a dual sport bike, was the ride home still fun?

i think it is smart to have at least 1 pickup drive out (for obvious reasons) but riding out and back really increases the adventure factor.

great planning and great trip.  thanks again for sharing.

-bret
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: hellneau on May 21, 2011, 11:13:17 PM
I toad mine out and for me it was the way to go. Leaving Lead-Deadwood in the snow and having it snow the day after I got back made towing mine the correct choice (for me). 

I was a little apprehensive about the campground not having any running water, but Moab has a new recreation facility for showers and there is a potable water spigot on the way back to the campground that made not having water on site a non-issue.

Not to mention our nobbies did not get the wear and tear of hundreds of miles of highway riding. However - our fearless leader did know of a guy that will change tires on the bike for $30/wheel. He did a great job on my bike.  Thanks Matt, thanks Fred.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 22, 2011, 07:18:53 AM
Hey Rich and Matt!  are you going to post some photos? 
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: hellneau on May 22, 2011, 06:36:33 PM
ya-ya-ya, I tried the other night and screwed the whole thing up. I have an idea of what you are thinking, 'what kind of old fart cannot post his pics'. I will try again tonight and see if I can get it up (no further comments - please)

PS how's Josh doing/feeling?
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Sportfaller on May 22, 2011, 08:29:40 PM
I'm hanging in there, trying hard not to do anything that may slow the recovery of my shoulder. the cracked ribs are bothering me most, I sneezed today and about broke down, incredible pain. I'm still taking the pain pills, and go in for a checkup tomorrow.  All in all, I'm in pretty good shape.

Now I'm arguing with the insurance adjuster, they are only wanting to cover $1600 of the damages to the bike. I ran the numbers using BMW's parts catalog and am coming up with about $4,200. The adjuster says none of the body work is covered, nor any of the aftermarket parts. I think its total BS, and I'm sure the bank will too, seeing as they still own 95% if the damn thing. Lucky for me my agent is a rider and is going to go to bat for me, he keeps telling me not to worry, that he will make sure 100% of the damages are covered.

Still waiting to see the wreck pics so I can give everyone the rundown.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: hellneau on May 22, 2011, 09:23:50 PM
Glad to hear you are doing well. Keep the healing process going. I hear an adult beverage of choice is about the best tonic for those nagging little aches and pains. I will start it off for you with a cold one just as soon as I post this. I wish I had some insightful advise to help you heal faster, but I don't. Best of luck. We need an old wife for some tales. Any suggestions?

Best of luck with your insurance co. I hear they are tightening up on everything and to get a fair deal, you really need to stay after them. Keep up the good fight.

Once the weather clears up and I don't have to ride in the rain, we should get the group together for an after trip de-briefing. I will nominate our house for burnt brats and a cold one or two. Anyone interested? Matt you are welcome anytime you are in the area too. 

Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: hellneau on May 22, 2011, 09:25:08 PM
ooops...forgot to add, my pics are up

the mind is the first to go.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 22, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
Hey Josh - I can relate on the ribs.  Took mine a few weeks to stopt hurting. And, oh yeah, try not to sneeze....ever!  :o  The insurance can be a bitch, too - keep on top of that shit or they'll try to rip you off any way they can!
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on May 22, 2011, 11:06:20 PM
I can't believe they're saying the plastics aren't covered. Ask them if they have stopped covering door skins and fenders on cars.

As for the add ons. I work with my agent to come to an "agreed value" on those accessories and farkles. Those things add up quickly when you have to replace all at the same time. I knew this guy that had almost 12,000 bucks worth of farkles on a BMW when it got wrecked sitting in a parking lot. It was run over by a dump truck. He almost had to eat the total cost of farkles. Only after he sued the construction  company did he recover those expenses 2 years later. Had he wrecked it himself he would not have recovered that. There in lies the reason I'm a fan of "agreed value" coverage.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Lonesome Dave on May 23, 2011, 12:50:45 PM
Hey Sportfaller, I would like to know the name of your insurance company, so I can be sure and use them in the future.  And remember, rehab...rehab...rehab...rehab...the more you do now the better it will be later.  Yea, that's experience talking.   Dave
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: snooker on May 24, 2011, 09:24:21 AM
Well NOW I find this thread!  I posted at the old thread and looked a few days there and didn't realize you were so organized to have a RR thread!  I'll get some time and add comments and pictures to Jacin's photo page... 

Great trip you guys - this was the perfect weekend - the one after Mother's Day should be the time every year.   April can have periods of 40 degrees and rain -impassible, and it is WAY too hot later.  A lot of guys also go to the San Rafael Swell area for riding - similar types of terrain but more wide open for motorcycles however NO services like Moab has.  It is a little farther out I-70 past Green River.  I've hiked slot canyons there a bit but don't know the area.  FYI...

Josh glad to hear you are mending - I called the guy at Velocity Gear and ordered my body armor a week ago, sounded like you had just talked to him as I mentioned that I tried on your armor in the morning only to see you crashed in it in the afternoon - was telling him the story about how it saved your ass because the group buy ended on Sunday - and that got him to let me in on it - a big savings.  Thanks.  BTW because I had tried it on, I knew about the 2 back zippers so when the EMTs had rolled you onto your side to backboard you, she was just about to give up and CUT it off when I said wait let's try to zip off the back panel and it was just enough to allow you to be able to get your arm out and save it!  So it worked out all around.

later, -matt
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Number Two on May 26, 2011, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 08:26:56 AM
.....Number Two. Hope your OK. Sorry you couldn't make it.

I got t-boned on my way to work by a girl who ran a stop sign.  Totalled my 4Runner (rolled it) and separated my left shoulder.  Feeling down, as I can't ride for at least another six weeks plus.

Looks like most of you had fun.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Hank on May 26, 2011, 09:50:18 PM
Quote from: Number Two on May 26, 2011, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: plumber mike on May 18, 2011, 08:26:56 AM
.....Number Two. Hope your OK. Sorry you couldn't make it.

I got t-boned on my way to work by a girl who ran a stop sign.  Totalled my 4Runner (rolled it) and separated my left shoulder.  Feeling down, as I can't ride for at least another six weeks plus.

Looks like most of you had fun.

That sucks, sorry to hear it!   Glad you weren't on your bike though....
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Sportfaller on May 27, 2011, 07:56:45 AM
I'm in the separated left shoulder club as well after my off in moab, but it sounds like yours will take longer to heal. I'm about back in riding shape, but the bike has a LONG way to go once insurance removes their cranium from their rectum.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on May 28, 2011, 12:02:07 AM
Well gentleman,
On my way home on monday, the 20th, the gravel road I was riding bit me as well. I was motoring along on a solid surface when I passed over an intersection. The other side was a deep dip that looked pretty solid. When I hit that spot about 30 - 35 mph I learned instantly that it was nothing but mushy clay covered with a dusting of gravel. There were also deep tractor ruts that had been covered by a motorgrader who didn't set his depth low enough.

The front end washed out and I went ass over bandbox. Landed on my shoulder and shoved it into my ribcage. The bad: 2 busted ribs and some soft tissue damage. The not so bad: Minor damage to the bike.

Give me a couple of weeks and I'll be ready to give her hell again. ;D
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Hank on May 28, 2011, 07:24:21 AM
DAMN... this is a terrible trend.
Hope all you guys heal up quickly! 
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Sportfaller on May 30, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
MAN! we are really getting our buts kicked lately! Sorry to hear about your little mishap! The ribs are a bitch, I know all too well, and the worst part is that there really isnt much you can do!
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: snooker on May 30, 2011, 07:56:30 PM
Ok guys I posted my pics out at the Shutterfly page http://ddsrmoab2011.shutterfly.com/pictures (http://ddsrmoab2011.shutterfly.com/pictures) including a separate unedited album of what shall hereafter be named...

The Sportfaller Incident of 2011

I even put together a little video of the drama you can see there...  (best is to click on View Video)

Let's just stop all this crashing for awhile?  whaddy'all say???
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 30, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
All this time i thought it was "faller", as in "felling" of trees, but it was of his motorcycle. Kinda sporty, but not very spectator friendly.  Thanks for the photos Matt!
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: Sportfaller on May 30, 2011, 09:55:02 PM
off topic, but how wet was camping Jacin?
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 31, 2011, 09:26:23 AM
I dunno about Jacin, but our camping weekend pretty much sucked!! Didn't get any riding in (except back to town).

We camped Sat & Sun up by Hill City. Weather wasn't bad on Saturday until late, but didn't ride cause we figured we'd have all day Sun....well, that didn't happen. Was raining and misty all day. Cleared up Mon morning, just in time to pack up camp and leave.

First time for me getting the GS on my little trailer.  Loading up went fairly well...unloading - not so good.  Front wheel got stuck in the chock (scratched up the rim!), and, since I'm a trailer noob, I unhooked the trailer from the hitch before unloading the bike (you experienced guys can probably see what's coming). Got the bike about halfway back on the trailer and WHEE!!  Trailer tilts nose up!  That was exciting, but didn't drop the bike.

Also, apparently my trailer hitch on the RV is too much of a drop and I kept scraping it in dips, this caught my trailers wiring harness between the hitch and the ground and severed it.  How important is it to have the trailer level? Cause I think I definitely need less of a drop on my hitch.

Fun weekend!   8)
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on May 31, 2011, 11:22:50 AM
Great series of shots and video to better understand the SportFaller "get off" Hope your healing well.

I've had a bit of a set back as I kinda over did it at work this week but am hopeful of better days.

Here's the deal: You can sit on the sidelines and watch as the game goes on. Where's the fun in that? Or, you can get off your ass, join the game and take your lumps in the process. Thats the route I choose take.

Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on May 31, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
Sportfaller, we had a great, perfect weather hike up Harney on Saturday, Sunday we woke to 4-5 inches of wet heavey snow, thought i might lose the awning on the camper. Took the kids to Wind Cave, so it worked out fine. we were able to dry out monday morning before packing up. No riding, but there will be more time for that. Hope all you injured guys get well soon. Eventually, we will get some good riding weather. I did buy two tags for for the trails Friday, and i picked up both of the new maps, North and South. They will not be printing waterproof or color as they expect them to change every year. They also were very offended i would ask if all the tag fees will be used for the trails. It is appaling i would suggest the money might get diverted to other uses by the forest service. Apparently i rub people wrong. ;D
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 31, 2011, 10:12:29 PM
Where were you camping?  We had a couple snow flakes by Hill City, but nothing that accumulated.

Quote from: jacin theis on May 31, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
Sunday we woke to 4-5 inches of wet heavey snow
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: The Yeti on May 31, 2011, 10:14:10 PM
Quote from: snooker on May 30, 2011, 07:56:30 PM
Ok guys I posted my pics out at the Shutterfly page http://ddsrmoab2011.shutterfly.com/pictures (http://ddsrmoab2011.shutterfly.com/pictures) including a separate unedited album of what shall hereafter be named...

The Sportfaller Incident of 2011

I even put together a little video of the drama you can see there...  (best is to click on View Video)

Let's just stop all this crashing for awhile?  whaddy'all say???

Here's a direct link to the video, I had a little trouble finding it.   ???

http://ddsrmoab2011.shutterfly.com/pictures/862
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on June 01, 2011, 02:05:57 PM
I rub people the wrong way too Jacin, especially the folks at that high priced Pamida store other's call Cabelas. They just don't want to here what I got say.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: jacin theis on June 01, 2011, 02:49:50 PM
Yeti, we took the kids to Sylvan Lake. Lots of water damage in the campground there.

GreatBuffalo, it seems that it is always a difficult conversation with a govt employee when you ask for accountablility.
While putting the tags on my bikes last night, i noticed they write you name on it in large black marker. I really take issue with this, as i do not need every slimball at the Sugar Shack getting my wife name off her govt issued trail tag. Really? they feel the numbers and written records they have arent enough, they have to write your name on them. Sorry for the rant. i am done now.
Title: Re: Moab 2011
Post by: greatbuffalo on June 02, 2011, 06:53:19 PM
I understand what your sayin about the name on the tags. They always say they're doing all they can to protect our privacy, then they do something like that. Our hard earned dollars at work.