If anyone is on the fence about picking up a helmet communications system, its worth it. Its amazing how much a day ride is improved with such technology. Most of us are using the Sena system with the Mesh technology. This tech has changed the experience. I will not get into a which unit is best discussion, this is one that most of us have gotten.
When out on the trail, in order to discuss things with the group, you have to stop, huddle around and yell to make yourself heard by all. With coms, you can stay on your bike, leave your visor down, and speak, all within several hundred feet can you, without yelling. Also, the leader can inform others riding behind of obstacles, upcoming turns, vehicles approaching, lunch plans, etc, etc.
Riders behind can communicate; rider condition, bike problems, trouble keeping up, etc, etc.
During the ride the opportunity to criticize the leader and or fellow riders will be easier and for all to hear and laugh. This is your chance to learn what you have only been able to imagine. Just how do your fellow DDSR members think and feel about you. This can be an eye opening experience and may even make you rethink why you choose to participate with the group.
The downside; If there are to many on the ride, it can be a problem with people talking over each other, Its pretty much a line of sight thing, Sometimes a few can hear you just fine when others cannot, you must recharge your com the night before, (Joel) and there may be times when you want silence. If that happens turn the thing off.
Anyway, just something to think about.
Do I really want to hear what you are saying about me?? :o
I'm with that thought.... ^^^^^
But hearing what y'all say about everyone else might be informative.
All that said...I've got a Sena on order.
I've been using Sena SMH10 on my helmets for years but the group I'm riding with in Coppen Canyon Mexico all runs so I've switched my Adventure helmet to Cardo Bold with mesh. I think the mesh is slightly better than blue tooth.
I've had a pair of SMH-10s for years, and just got a pair of 50s's. I got the 50s pair about a month ago, and first step was to upgrade firmware, which failed miserably on both of them. I spent hours trying, using multiple computers (and the wifi charging cables), then an hour plus on the phone with Sena and they ended up giving me an RMA and I exchanged them. Next set worked fine. Hopefully whatever defect they had in the run that produced my first pair is fixed. It was a PIA but at least they stood behind them and got me a working pair.
The 50s comes with a Wifi charging cable so firmware updates are done automatically. I got that all set up, but quite frankly I think it's silly and unnecessary tech. "Tech for the sake of tech" type of deal, but that's just me. How often do you really need to upgrade the firmware? It includes an phone app but it doesn't have a whole lot of functionality... again.. fluffy bells and whistles.
I haven't got to try the 50s yet, other than sitting on my couch with my helmet on streaming music, and looking super cool.
I agree that in helmet communicators are one of the best tech innovations in ages when it comes to motorcycling. Its really nice to be able to talk to your riding cohorts, on or off road, and the ability to take a call or stream music is fantastic. I've taken work calls on my SMH-10 while cruising down the highway, and the person I'm talking to doesn't even notice wind noise or know that I'm out playing hooky.
You are correct about the WiFi cable; useless. The phone app though, comes in handy making adjustments.
My next project is figuring out how to adjust the music cut so it doesn't cut from a little wind noise.
Fetch, I spelled it out. If you wanna know, join the club, if you wanna be kept in the dark.... Ignorance IS bliss. :D
There are two Sena apps. One is for the WiFi charging cable - that's the one that seems fairly useless. It basically shows the firmware version of the WiFi cable, the firmware version of what's connected to it, and its supposed to show you what is connected but that part doesn't even work. With the 50s connected, it shows Unknown Device but it does show the firmware version of the 50S. It doesn't even show the level of charge. Pretty dumb.
I agree the other app that allows you to tweak the 50S itself looks pretty decent.
Quote from: greatbuffalo on April 14, 2022, 03:27:24 AM
.... Ignorance IS bliss. :D
Life's been good to me so far....Just don't' know if I want to know what I don't know......lol
realistically I'll get up to date shortly..
on an unrelated note you will be happy to hear the fuel pump went out on the 1290.. upgraded unit on the way.......
Watching this with interest. I have been researching and comparing this winter. I want something to play music mostly. Bought some cheap bluetooth helmet speakers on Amazon but they were garbage. The 50s is the one I think LD told me about. More than I want to spend, really, but I am leaning toward those.
Bonnie and i have the 50s, big upgrade over the 10s we had.
Mesh is a game changer over bluetooth.
Sena has its problems but after some research before we bought the 50's i think they all do.
So, is this what I need?
https://www.amazon.com/Sena-50S-Bluetooth-Headset-Single/dp/B0893QK9QS?msclkid=277a1425bc3911ecbe6f1c1039a040cd
That's what Bonnie and I have.
Mike, You may wanna get a dual set, If you go riding with Shauna, she's gonna wanna know what you're thinkin too.
What happened to 'ignorance is bliss'?
:o ;D
I'm still considering remaining in the blissful state.... ;) :)
When I got my dual pack recently Dennis Kirk had the best pricing, and they are pretty local so delivery was fast.
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Well here's my 2 cents....
I too have the 50s unit. Zippy bought a pair and we split the cost between us. The update of firmware was way beyond me, but I have a good buddy (Pauly) that simply talked to himself and the unit while talking with me and 45 minutes later we were done. Haven't had any problems since, except Dan talking too much!!
Music; I've had good custom ear buds for years, this is better. Although I don't know how to turn it on or use it, it even has FM radio. (I put that in there for Gerry) In fact, I think these things would be awesome for skiing groups.
Taking breaks on the trail; I often feel guilty because Mike, Gerry, and Grubbie don't know what everybody is talking about when we stop. It's an extension of the discussion we were having while riding. One more thing. SandhillRider and I were leading a group last year, I think it was just the two of us with Sena's. We actually talked in a normal voice about the ride and scenery like we were in a car together.
I would not go back. If I get tired of the chatter, and that really depends on the day, I can just change to music while still listening to everybody I'm with.
I just got a dualpack of Kenwood KCA-HX5M.
Mesh and Bluetooth. Rebranded Sena 30 units as I understand.
Of course I got a really good deal on it even with current price rises.
Shipped to home for $200.
I suppose I should get with the times...
Quote from: Fletch on June 27, 2022, 08:11:53 AM
I suppose I should get with the times...
Or stay blissfully unaware and less frustrated getting this to work.
Might take a day to learn...
Good point. Not to mention I'm not sure if I can talk and ride at the same time?
Haha...
That didn't stop me.
Might just be determined enough to figure it out...I did get the FM radio to work via voice command. Can't change stations yet . surely still gonna miss what's being said at first.
Ive used a Sena quite a bit. Firmware updates and relearning the connection process and adding new ppl is a little hit and miss but they work ok. Ive started using baofeng radios now. the range is amazing. The Sena will drop out once you loose sight of the other person even if its 50 yrds over a rocky hill. A friend and I used the Baofengs in Idaho and were able to stay in contact with each other 5 miles apart, very handy. There is a learning curve but it's totally worth it. The radio is $20 and the helmet kit is $15.
https://www.amazon.com/Baofeng-UV-5R-136-174-400-480Mhz-1800mAh/dp/B074XPB313/ref=asc_df_B074XPB313/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242015686760&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=903571376851806402&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020363&hvtargid=pla-570582273961&th=1
Rugged radios will sell you one for $250
https://www.ruggedradios.com/products/enduro-moto-kit-with-v3-handheld-radio?variant=39410088444000