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Past Rallies => September 13-16 2012 => Topic started by: The Yeti on July 03, 2012, 05:33:26 PM

Title: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on July 03, 2012, 05:33:26 PM
Soooo....where you all wanna stay this year? I kinda liked the accomodations at KOA last year (besides the torrential downpour), plus it's closer to the trails I'm familiar with.  8)

If you guys wanna try and stay in another area of the hills, I'm up for it. Just be aware that a lot of campgrounds are already closed that time of year or are unwilling to make deals with me.  :o
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Robmicgrn on July 03, 2012, 07:01:25 PM
Is the KOA Palmer Gulch? Curious about the deals there (called up there to take the family and was floored by the rates). I am up for anywhere, but the campground at Deerfield treated us very well when I was there earlier this year with a group of (cough) ATV's. All kinds of trails in the area as well. My two cents.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Sportfaller on July 03, 2012, 07:12:34 PM
Fuel, food, and beer there at deerfield too!  What are the proposed dates?

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Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: loingrader on July 03, 2012, 07:46:30 PM
deerfield sounds good to me too.

but i'm up for anything.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Fletch on July 03, 2012, 11:28:39 PM
I don't participate enough to have an opinion, but thanks to all of you that make htese things happen. I will make it for a ride or two wherever it is :)
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on July 03, 2012, 11:49:21 PM
I'm a follower. I'll be where ever the rest of you are.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on July 04, 2012, 07:08:31 AM
Mystic Hills would probably be friendly to us as it looks like they cater to the ATV crowd, but that's not far from the FnF so its probably not the best choice.   

I was eyeing the southern hills map and the area between Summit Ridge and Bear Mnt sure look to be loaded with some kind of trails, but I have no idea of the quality.  Custer would be the nearest camping I'd guess.   PS - Alan thanks for starting this.. I was just thinking that its needs to get done!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Bogus Jim on July 04, 2012, 10:56:08 AM
I always laugh when I ride past this Custer campground. With a name like that, they must cater to dirt bikes, right?  ;D

http://www.blackhills.com/roost/index.html (http://www.blackhills.com/roost/index.html)

I don't know anything about the campground, just get a chuckle out of the name.

Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: JoniJo on July 04, 2012, 07:03:58 PM
I'm a follower like GB.
I'd follow you guys anywhere. Really!   
All I know is I'll be there!!!!!!!!   8)   JoniJo

Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on July 05, 2012, 10:34:16 AM
Is the KOA Palmer Gulch? Curious about the deals there (called up there to take the family and was floored by the rates).

Yup, that's Palmer Gulch. Last year we had $5/night/person for tenters and $20/night for RV sites...I was shocked that they would go that low considering their regular rates.

What are the proposed dates?

Ummm...check the top of the forum section Josh.  ;)

deerfield sounds good to me too.

Do any of you guys have an 'IN' at Deerfield? I could just give them a call, but I didn't know if anyone else is more familiar with the owners....this is the place you guys are talking about, right? http://mtmeadowsresort.com/

I always laugh when I ride past this Custer campground. With a name like that, they must cater to dirt bikes, right?  ;D

http://www.blackhills.com/roost/index.html (http://www.blackhills.com/roost/index.html)

I don't know anything about the campground, just get a chuckle out of the name.

Pretty sure I called them last fall and they were already closed.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Lonesome Dave on July 05, 2012, 03:35:30 PM
Yeti, the place sold last fall to the present owners.  I don't know them, but they will sure remember us.  We were there twice with about 20 riders coming in all at once.  I did mention we were talking about a rally there in Sept.  They were happy and excited to hear about a possible rally there.  I think I would just call them for rates and such.  LD
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: jacin theis on July 05, 2012, 04:40:50 PM
I had to search of rthe dates too. Might be better in the title. a little copy and pastey since i dont like to read the fine print....

Dakota Dual Sport Riders
2012 DDSR Rally Info
September 13-16 2012
Planning for Fall 2012 Rally


Sounds fun!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Sportfaller on July 05, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
Yeah, i'm just a dumba$$.

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Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on July 24, 2012, 03:14:09 PM
Hey everybody... this is closing in fast.  Any further thoughts on the where for this time around?
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: loingrader on July 24, 2012, 03:37:31 PM
i'm bringing the kdx so i'd like to be close to trails.

also bringing the fam so will not be tenting.  rentable rv's or something with water and electricity would be a nice option if it's available where we stay. 

but don't change plans for me.  i can stay somewhere else if needed and get to where ever the DDSR group is at!

it is coming up fast.  whatever you decide yeti, works for me.


FWIW i liked staying at the koa but deerefield would be fun too!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Lonesome Dave on July 24, 2012, 08:41:25 PM
Yeti, I talked with the folks at Mountain Meadow Resort a couple of weeks ago when I was up there wandering around.  They were happy to know we were considering them for a location and they remembered us.  At the time, the week of the 13th was wide open for reservations.  I asked about the possibility of group rates and they were open to the idea.  They asked about how many, I figured the fall rally would be smaller than the spring so I guessed at around 40 people.  I've always liked the Deerfield area and am kind of partial to it.  I do believe the nights could be slightly cooler than that of the lower elevations.

My 2-cents; there's lots of ATV trails that are similar to single track.  Plus the usual two-track roads, and the normal gravel roads. Also there should be a pretty good chance of seeing elk around there at that time of year.  The ATV trails did seem to be popular at the spring rally, or at least I heard lots of favorable comments.  I do think the area also benefits newer riders and love-boat riding.  Don't get me wrong, there's still plenty of rocks!

Okay, there's some info and its obvious where my vote is at, but I'll go anywhere, as long as I don't break something before then.  LD
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on July 24, 2012, 09:34:36 PM
Where ever it is will need to have cabin or room or RV rental as I will be traveling with my wife, she doesn't do tents. I'm up for anything with those limits.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: loingrader on July 25, 2012, 08:59:07 AM
Mountain Meadow has furnished cabins.

And fuel, a cafe, small store and trails right off the property.  what else do we need?

I think we should plan on this location for the fall rally if they will give us a deal. 
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on July 25, 2012, 03:37:02 PM
Hey guys,

Deerfield sounds good to me. I'll give 'em a call in the next couple days and set it up. Then I can get the sign-up thread going right after I have the reservations.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on July 29, 2012, 09:16:48 PM
From left field, what if we moved the date to 9/29 weekend?   There are two other groups (MN and NE guys, both which will have folks from previous DDSR rallies) both planning for that weekend.   Clay/TannerC can't make the 9/15 date and I can't either.    Its just a thought and if the majority want to keep the current date, that's cool too.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on July 29, 2012, 09:51:39 PM
I've already made plans for the 13th - 16th. Pushing it ahead 2 weeks would put me out. 2 weeks ahead could also make a big difference in camping weather. That's my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: loingrader on July 29, 2012, 10:05:53 PM
on adv they said they hoped for better weather this year...     :-\       anything after sept 1 runs the risk of being cold.  course it could be 80 degrees too, one never knows for sure!

worst case scenario, we keep ours as scheduled, they keep theirs, and folks can pick or choose which one they can attend (or both) and maybe we can work on dates and coordinate a group rally for sept 2013.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on July 30, 2012, 10:06:52 AM
That's probably the best bet for now, unless there are a LOT of people that would prefer the 29th.
We'll see what Yeti and others say.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on July 30, 2012, 11:59:32 AM
Makes aboslutely no difference to me as far as those dates go. I do think it SHOULD be colder by then, but like Bret sez - you never know!

Shall we take a vote? (See poll at top of this page.)
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: JoniJo on July 30, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
I've already put in for vacation the 13th-16th.
I think I could change it if I had to.................
Whatever the group decides.          8)       JoniJo
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: agspecialties on July 30, 2012, 02:59:35 PM
I am one of the guys who is planning the trip on the 29th. Last year we went the second week of Oct and had a good first day and back second and third day.  Weather was raining and snowing on us.  As far as getting the the three groups together, that is up to you guys. We aren't going to change the date because of cabins have been rented already.
We will be riding out of Nemo. If it don't work out this year getting together, maybe next fall. We try to go out and ride on the last weekend of Sept.

Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on July 30, 2012, 04:59:25 PM
I voted doesn't matter.  I have a better chance of making 9/29 but that's not guaranteed either. 
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: agspecialties on July 30, 2012, 05:56:36 PM
I voted doesn't matter.  I have a better chance of making 9/29 but that's not guaranteed either.

Hank, you and anyone else are more then welcomed to join our little group of guys. Like I said before, we are going to stay in Nemo and will take off from there usally around 9 in the morning, we try to ride gravel and single track all day, or till we get tired.



Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: loingrader on August 02, 2012, 01:50:09 PM
alright.  not a lot of opinions here.   :o


should we just keep the date the same this year and get our accommodations finalized? 

 ???
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 02, 2012, 01:51:16 PM
I'd say yes!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: JoniJo on August 02, 2012, 04:58:43 PM
Ditto.........  ;)    JoniJo
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Lonesome Dave on August 02, 2012, 07:31:22 PM
Ditto, but I want ya there Hank.  We'll miss you.  LD
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 03, 2012, 06:39:32 AM
Who knows, maybe I can still make it....  I probably won't know until the week of the rally.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: JoniJo on August 03, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
We all want you here Hank!   :cheers    JoniJo
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on August 03, 2012, 09:41:55 PM
Somebody, please make a decision.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 04, 2012, 07:09:01 AM
I think the decision is made to stick with the original date.

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Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on August 04, 2012, 09:33:59 PM
Now we just need to decide were so I can make resevations so I can get a cabin for the family.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on August 04, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
Dates are as in the forum title - Sept 13-16.

Location is Deerfield Lake - Mountain Meadow (pending final reservations which I will make on Monday).

There, decided.   :)
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on August 04, 2012, 11:34:03 PM
Thank you Yeti
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on August 10, 2012, 06:20:30 PM
Yeti,
Have you made contact with them to finalize dates. Waiting on this to make reservations.
Thanks
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: sandekr1 on August 13, 2012, 01:01:27 PM
I am confused is there two seperate rides a singletrack ride with mn guys from nemo the 29 and a big bike ride from meadows the 13??
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on August 14, 2012, 11:48:02 AM
I haven't had any time to take care of this, health issues with my father-in-law are keeping me busy when I'm not working.

Can anyone else take care of this? I'd appreciate it!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 14, 2012, 12:41:15 PM
I am confused is there two seperate rides a singletrack ride with mn guys from nemo the 29 and a big bike ride from meadows the 13??

There is a group from Minnesota and a group from Nebraska going out on the 29th.    There are planning threads over on advrider for those groups.

The 13-16th dates are the DDSR rally (planned here).
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 14, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
I haven't had any time to take care of this, health issues with my father-in-law are keeping me busy when I'm not working.

Can anyone else take care of this? I'd appreciate it!

I can give them a call tonight.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on August 14, 2012, 12:57:22 PM
Thanks Hank.

The father in law issues may even keep me from the rally...will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 14, 2012, 07:54:36 PM
No Problem..I left them a message.   I'll keep everyone posted.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: loingrader on August 15, 2012, 02:15:20 PM
thanks Hank!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 15, 2012, 05:09:19 PM
OK Rates are as follows:

Cabin $75 per night
Full hook up $29 per night
Electric only $23 per night
Tent $14 per night, $5 for an additional tent on the site

Deduct 10% for our group rate.   Sounds like rates are going up next year.

They currently have 1 cabin rented for those dates, 3 remain.
One full hook up site is rented, 4 remain.

I'll start a sign up thread in a day or two once people have digested this (and commented as needed).
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: loingrader on August 16, 2012, 10:02:30 AM
thanks hank.  it will be fun to try this place out.  hope you can join us!!!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: The Yeti on August 16, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
Thanks again for taking care of this Hank!

I assume the RV 'electric only' sites include water...? Do you know how many of those sites are left?

Also, do they allow dogs?
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Hank on August 16, 2012, 06:34:18 PM
There is "water around" the electric sites.   That isn't very helpful.

I assume camper people will make their own reservations?   I'm new to this :)   

Dogs are allowed - if leashed.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Lonesome Dave on August 23, 2012, 10:47:38 PM
Wasn't sure where to post this, but figured this might be the place.  LD

Well, once again, Bogus Jim and I have been out riding/scouting for the fall rally.  Or maybe I should say we just like to ride, but we eventually made it to the Deerfield area!  This past Saturday, Jim took the lead and I ate dust all day, but what a day.  We were at a rock cliff on the far (south) side of Dark Canyon, a Pactola Dam overlook on the downstream side (very cool).  Also made it to the bottom of the dam and observed a pair of Osprey parents and their chicks in the nest.  Found a couple of new FUN trails and a familar old one just ridden in reverse.

Another overlook we shall call the "End of 129."  You ride forever on trails I will probably never find again without Jim and eventually you make it to a cliff with a 270 degree view.

Last, but not least, the grand daddy of them all, a scenic view overlooking the Castle Creek valley.  What makes this special, it's one of the most famous photographs taken on Custer's historic 1874 Black Hills Expedition.  It's a photo of the expedition's wagons (coming towards the camera) in a long line up the Castle Creek Valley.  The wagons had stopped and were waiting for a temporary bridge to be built in the creek so they could pass.  The expeditions photographer, W.H. Illingworth, took the opportunity of the delay to climb up and take the photo July 26, 1874.  We of course didn't hike, just rode there, but I got a pretty good photograph!  LD

Dark Canyon
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/DarkCanyon8_125.jpg)

Pactola Overlook
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/Pactolaeastview1.jpg)

End of 129 looking west
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeakValley8_126.jpg)

Now looking east to Hat Mountain
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeakValley8_122.jpg)

Original photo  (Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to put the photo into this post except with the following link.)

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTz4c4HIo0X4DvcSq0vCJZ_ZbteUtUIrAsUuwJ8LEOgGM7U0O85hw


My attempt

(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/Custer_Ex1874bestcopy.jpg)
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on August 24, 2012, 03:13:41 AM
Very cool Dave. I one day want to ride that route as closely as can be done. I have it about all mapped out in TopoUSA.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Bogus Jim on September 04, 2012, 08:47:52 PM
This is the photo from the Custer book, for those who haven't seen it...

(http://dakotaphoto.smugmug.com/History/The-Black-Hills-Yesterday/Custer-Expedition-809-Wagons/219768325_WFxaa-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: jacin theis on September 05, 2012, 07:08:49 AM
I love the two Paul Horstead books with the steroscope photos. That is a really great concept. I always find it interesting how few treees there were when Custer came in. I assume they had less fire issues with natural forests. It would be fun to follow GB's map of these.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on September 05, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
I found quite a rare book that was actually the ground work done for the Horsted book in the 70's. Surprisingly there is no mention of this book in there citations. It was done by USD I think or SDSU. I'll have to hunt it down and bring it with me to the rally. I think you guys would find it interesting. The whole route is both USGS maps, as Horsted's is as well as aerial photographs. Being nearly 40 years earlier the trail was more prominent as well.  This book even contains "now and then" photos.  Coincidence? I think not.
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: jacin theis on September 05, 2012, 05:44:13 PM
Paul is an SDSU alumni, so i wonder if he came across that in his time there, and then did his books later? Maybe you can black-mail him, retire and take us all on a round the world bike adventure!!
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: Lonesome Dave on September 05, 2012, 08:50:44 PM
Dan your such a conspiracist.  (And yes its spelled right, I checked!)  :evil   Oh yea, count me in on the around the world adventure.  LD
Title: Re: Planning for Fall 2012 Rally
Post by: greatbuffalo on September 05, 2012, 11:54:11 PM
Oh yes, this is a conspiracy theorists dream. ;D I'm all about a round the world bike trip though.
I do have to admit that was annoyed though, at the blatant similarities of the books and no citations. Granted the Horsted books are much more polished and have a wealth of info and very well organized but not even a side note. Like I said, I'll bring and you can be the judge.

Hmmmm........what bike do I take around the world????????????   I'm thinkin' the Triumph Tiger Explorer XC, now that they finally listened to me and put spoked rims on it.  8)