Dakota Dual Sport Riders

Past Rallies => June 21-23 2012 => Topic started by: loingrader on June 09, 2012, 10:13:19 AM

Title: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: loingrader on June 09, 2012, 10:13:19 AM
Alright guys and gals.  Since we are going to be blessed with the presence of so many fine dual sporting individuals, we are going to need some trail leaders to keep it fun for everyone.  And the more planning done before hand means more riding and less standing around every morning trying to figure stuff out.

I'm thinking we had 5 guys leading that would be about the bare minimum to keep the riding groups to a reasonable size.

So who's up for it?

Some route suggestions:
-mostly single track, rock gardens and very little pavement
-scenic easy 2 up stuff
-shorter loops for the people who don't want 10 hrs of riding
-longer loops for those that do.
-any combination of the above.

Some potential nominations.
-Bogus
-Lonesome
-Yeti
-Fringe (be ready for anything following this guy)
-Jacin
-Sporty

Any takers or other suggestions?
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Lonesome Dave on June 09, 2012, 11:19:42 AM
Bogus, Sporty, and I and talked a couple of times about different trails or tours.  I wondered if people would like to travel to numerous peaks.  The tour would have to contain mostly quick stops.  However, I know some you can't get all the way there without walking a little.  Generally speaking, I think people want to ride not hike.  I thought maybe start at Terry Peak, 5 state view close to Fish & Fry and then to Custer Peak.  From there Flag Mountain, Green Mountain, maybe "Lost Dave's Peak" (yours truly unofficial name), Hat Mountain, Castle Peak, Bear Mountain, and others up there.  Bogus knows others up there as well.
 
Or, maybe just do old Fire Lookouts.  Or, there is still 5 remaining working Towers.  Bogus has my Black Hills Fire Lookout book right now and I know he has ideas.  Or maybe combine peaks and lookouts and go to whatever works.  I for one always like to going to any overlook, but that's just me.  I live here, I can do that anytime.  I'm in for what everybody wants to do.  There seems to interest in the caves and Sister Mary shrine.  That's an easy trip from Fish & Fry staying on gravel and trail. 

I always like the stuff that Sporty and Bogus come up with.  That south loop is great, but long.  Not sure there's time with all the masses.  I know there's talk of doing that on Thursday when less people are around.  I planned on being there all day Thursday, but now that's up in the air.

Okay, I rambled on long enough, Fletch wouldn't mow my yard yesterday so I got to get to work!  LD
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Fletch on June 09, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
too bad you had to work, we had a great (although pretty tough) ride, way better than mowing!!
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: torgo on June 09, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
Has anyone picked up the colored maps from the forest service?  I got one last week when I was riding the hills.  Pretty nice.  The only single track I can lay claim to is 6710 just north of Sheridan Lake.  It has a really nice and long up hill and hundreds of log crossings.

I got the MVUM on my Garmin and that is really nice.  I am up for the all day single track as my riding partner last week was riding an XL650R and was not up to much of the rough stuff.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Osnabrock on June 09, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
While I in no way claim intimate knowledge of the area, I did make some notes from last years singletrack. I also marked some areas that I wasn't able to hit. 
I'm not comfortable taking the position of a leader but can offer some suggestions and am eager to have locals offer up their wisdom.
I need to figure out how many miles I can handle on my dirt bike, maybe figure out a fuel drop if the trails are more than 60 or so miles, but my fuel economy might improve at altitude.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Fletch on June 09, 2012, 10:49:21 PM
depending on the direction you go both Nemo and Sugar Shack have gas, and some nice single track ;)
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Sportfaller on June 09, 2012, 11:16:22 PM
I'm willing to lead long loops of moderate trails with good scenery. Jacin and I did over 250 miles today, mostly primary and secondary FS roads and some county gravels in WY.  If folks want to do that kinda riding I'll piece together some routes in the next two weeks.  I dont know the northern hills super well, but have a solid grasp of central and south.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Bogus Jim on June 09, 2012, 11:53:45 PM
QuoteJacin and I did over 250 miles today.

You guys are wimps, I did 280 today and I don't even have a windshield. Or a big comfy bike. Or purple shock springs.  ;D

This is a 150 mile loop starting in Custer. I was going to suggest this as a Thursday ride, since NDave and maybe gerry1eye are camped in Custer Wednesday night. Anyone else welcome to join too. The loop took me 7 hours, my forearms ache and I have minor blisters on my hands so it must've been a good ride.

(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx177/photoquark/Miscellaneous/CusterLoop.png)

But, getting back to the original topic, I think it would be a good idea to get some routes planned for Friday/Saturday and decide who will lead them.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Sportfaller on June 10, 2012, 12:49:21 AM
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g225/sportfaller/bike/june9ride.jpg)
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g225/sportfaller/bike/6-9-126.jpg)
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g225/sportfaller/bike/6-9-124.jpg)
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g225/sportfaller/bike/6-9-121.jpg)
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: greatbuffalo on June 10, 2012, 01:40:41 AM
I recognize that as Warren peak. I did some archaeology up in that area last spring right after the rally. We found one of the largest lythic scatters (stone tool making site) ever found not too far from there.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: hayduke.klr07 on June 10, 2012, 10:50:58 AM
Howdy--

I know that i have been absent for some time, but i think that i am going to be able to make the event this year! 
I was just recently down in the southern hills (Jasper fire area) and took a road to the north that i all could think about is how good it would be to ride.  That being said I got home and taped the two travel maps together and put together a route that would take a person from the Fish and Fry all the way south to damn near newcastle, then back north through Redbird Canyon, then northeast through the Jasper area.
I would guess it at 120-150 miles with about 10% asphalt.  Some gravel and lot of dirt two track.  there will be a few short sketchy sections for bigger bikes but not bad.  a couple of the sections i have not ridden but it is about adventure right?  None of the route involves being on any "trails" where you would need the travel management sticker.

That being said I would be up leading a ride one day.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: The Yeti on June 11, 2012, 10:34:54 AM
Unfortunately, I will only be riding on Saturday, and will be 2-up. But, I'm willing to lead around a group on the 'very-easy' type of fireroads. I plan on plotting out some routes in the next two weeks.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: The Yeti on June 11, 2012, 10:36:00 AM
Quote from: hayduke.klr07 on June 10, 2012, 10:50:58 AM
Howdy--

I know that i have been absent for some time, but i think that i am going to be able to make the event this year! 
I was just recently down in the southern hills (Jasper fire area) and took a road to the north that i all could think about is how good it would be to ride.  That being said I got home and taped the two travel maps together and put together a route that would take a person from the Fish and Fry all the way south to damn near newcastle, then back north through Redbird Canyon, then northeast through the Jasper area.
I would guess it at 120-150 miles with about 10% asphalt.  Some gravel and lot of dirt two track.  there will be a few short sketchy sections for bigger bikes but not bad.  a couple of the sections i have not ridden but it is about adventure right?  None of the route involves being on any "trails" where you would need the travel management sticker.

That being said I would be up leading a ride one day.

Great to see you back Chris!

This guy really knows his way around the trails. If you plan to follow Chris, you'll get exactly what he says you will.   :evil
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: loingrader on June 11, 2012, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: Osnabrock on June 09, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
I did make some notes from last years singletrack.

taking the position of a leader

You can do it! 

I'm bringing out a guy who is riding a KTM250sx geared for the woods.  He's going to be wanting to hit the singletrack for sure.  thirsty 2 stroke so fuel will be a consideration.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Osnabrock on June 11, 2012, 06:33:24 PM
As far as gas availability goes...........
I'm in the habit of running nonoxygenated fuel in my bike.  I'd like to keep to that but would settle for any 91 octane or better fuel.  Where's the nearest reliable source of either of these?  Does the place across from Fish and Fry carry it?
I just picked up another 5 gallon fuel can so I'll arrive with my bike filled, and 10 gallons of mix with me.  It may last me the whole trip but I'd like to be prepared.
I also ordered new jets and needle to rejet my carb for altitude so I should get a bit better mileage out of a tank.  I'm hoping for 70-80 miles with my oversized tank installed.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Sportfaller on June 11, 2012, 09:50:51 PM
Quote from: Osnabrock on June 11, 2012, 06:33:24 PM
As far as gas availability goes...........
I'm in the habit of running nonoxygenated fuel in my bike.  I'd like to keep to that but would settle for any 91 octane or better fuel.  Where's the nearest reliable source of either of these?

There should be 91 across the street, and Boondocks down by the Brownsville road (about 4 miles) usually has 98 and 101.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Lonesome Dave on June 11, 2012, 10:56:09 PM
In light of the recent discussion on this thread, I decided to start reconning this past weekend.  So here's a short report.

Saturday afternoon I headed out for Custer Peak.  I've been wanting to go to all different Fire Lookouts, but haven't got around to it yet.  With the rally coming up, I figured I'd better get after it.  First, because I wanted to see them and second to see how tough it is to get there and if it's worthwhile once your there. 

Although I've been on all sides of Custer Peak, I've never actually been to the top.  It appears there's a couple of ways to get there.  I first came in from the south and probably would be to rough for the big machines at least riding 2 up.  I left the easy way on 213 to Hwy 385.  That direction would be good for 2 up riding.  This peak has a great 360 degree view and you can really see how the pine beetle has devastated the area.  There's a short hike to the top but
well worth it.  In fact, I think this is my new favorite, even more than Bear Mountain. 

Custer Peak
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CusterPeak6_9_123.jpg)

Looking to Southwest
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CusterPeak6_9_129.jpg)

Looking towards Castle Peak
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CusterPeak6_9_1211.jpg)

Short hike to the peak
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CusterPeak6_9_1220.jpg)

Leaving down below
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CusterPeak6_9_1222.jpg)

Sunday afternoon I headed out for Seth Bullock and Castle Peak.  I was in town for lunch, so I left via Sheridan Lake road, Victoria Lake area, crossed over Hwy 385, into the Edelweiss mountain area in search of Seth Bullock.  I eventually got there, but found a metal gate blocking my way.  I really wanted to see this place, soooooo, I checked to see if it was locked.  Nope.  I opened it up, went through and shut again.  I started heading up but could see fresh tracks on the trail.  I kept going.  Near the top, I found two US Forest service trucks coming down the hill.  Now from my past experience, its best to fess up and face the music.  So I pull and stop next to the drivers window, shut it off.  "Hi, I know I'm not suppose to be up here, but I got this rally coming up in a couple of weeks and........"  You get the idea.  Well he told me to go on up and he would wait for me at the gate below.  Got there, really neat, would love to look around more, but with the fence locked up, you can't climb the tower.  Without the tower, there's no view.  I asked about getting a temporary key from the forest service for
the rally and he advised maybe?  I think it's sometimes possible, but we had to talk to the big guy.  Hayduke might be able to help here, but it still might be more trouble than it's worth.  At least I got to go and look!

Seth Bullock
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/SethBullock6-10-121.jpg)

Castle Peak.  I've been here before, but didn't remember much about it or more importantly, how to get there.  Bogus Jim and I talked about it a while back and he recently found it.  He didn't think it was too bad for big bikes until the top portion.  And I agree.  However, I was on Pilots Knob and saw the now famous 2 up ride of gerry1eye and his son David on the KLR.  They rode up that rocky trail like there's nothing to it.  I remember it well, because I was
riding directly in front of them on the old Tdub and worried they were going to catch me!  I'm just saying, 2 up probably not worth the risk.  Riding single, go for it.  There's plenty of people to pick it up!  This is worth the ride.  Its a fun trail and plenty of views.

Castle Peak Parking Area
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeak6-10-121.jpg)

(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeak6-10-123.jpg)

(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeak6-10-124.jpg)

Old foundation pillars
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeak6-10-127.jpg)

Looking North towards Custer Peak
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeak6-10-1210.jpg)

Terry Peak on left, Custer Peak on right
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeak6-10-1211.jpg)

The last part of the climb looking back down the hill
(http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j420/rustytreasures/CastlePeak6-10-1212.jpg)

Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Sportfaller on June 12, 2012, 07:36:49 AM
http://www.firelookout.com/sd.html (http://www.firelookout.com/sd.html) Is a good starting point for creating a ride to hit as many lookouts as you could in one day.  Its a pretty comprehensive list.

In my opinion, the ones worth visiting are the locations with some remaining structure and good views:

Custer Peak
Terry Peak
Cement Ridge
Flag Mountain
Bear Mountain
Summit ridge

and if you really felt like a long day add Coolidge and Elk Mountain


To me, it looks like you could string a ride together counterclockwise and make a good day of it.

(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g225/sportfaller/bike/Untitled.jpg)
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Bogus Jim on June 12, 2012, 09:40:30 AM
Quote from: Lonesome DaveIn fact, I think this is my new favorite, even more than Bear Mountain.

Awwww. I dedicate this lovely song to Bear Mountain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzrUBltoDQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzrUBltoDQ)

Nice recon and photos, LD.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Osnabrock on June 12, 2012, 10:24:27 PM
Don't know about the lookout, but that sure is a beautiful song Jim.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Bogus Jim on June 12, 2012, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: OsnabrockDon't know about the lookout, but that sure is a beautiful song Jim.  Thanks.

Alison Krauss has won more Grammys than any living artist. I lived in North Carolina for a while and discovered bluegrass music out there. When I moved to the Black Hills I was surprised to learn there's an annual bluegrass festival in the Hills. I didn't figure Dakotans would be into bluegrass... but I guess we do live in the "mountains".

By coincidence, the festival is the same weekend as the rally, and it's a short ride/drive from the Fish N' Fry. If anybody wants to check it out, maybe take in an evening show, here's the schedule.

http://www.blackhillsbluegrass.com/Schedule.html (http://www.blackhillsbluegrass.com/Schedule.html)
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: greatbuffalo on June 13, 2012, 12:38:05 AM
I do love me some Bluegrass me own self. I hate country, but love Bluegrass. I once stated to my wife that Bluegrass harmony may not always be pleasent, but if usually cool.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Lonesome Dave on June 13, 2012, 08:06:47 PM
Hey Jim, we can get to the bluegrass festival via Galena to Vanocker and head down Bulldog trail, I'm sure everyone would like that at the end of the day!   :evil
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Bogus Jim on June 13, 2012, 08:46:20 PM
Quote from: Lonesome Dave
Hey Jim, we can get to the bluegrass festival via Galena to Vanocker and head down Bulldog trail, I'm sure everyone would like that at the end of the day!   :evil

It is scary how much we think alike.  ;) 

Bulldog is about a 5 mile trail and it's actually pretty smooth, except for the last 4.95 miles.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: greatbuffalo on June 13, 2012, 09:03:25 PM
Sounds like fun
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: The Yeti on June 14, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
That was Bulldog CANYON, right? The one we climbed for what seemed like about an hour?? I really wouldn't like coming *down* that one.   :o
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Bogus Jim on June 14, 2012, 08:04:22 PM
Quote from: The Yeti
That was Bulldog CANYON, right? The one we climbed for what seemed like about an hour?

Yes, Bulldog Canyon. I remember us coming down Vanocker Canyon on that ride, doing 70-75mph; I was trying to lose you Yeti, but I couldn't!  ;D

For those who like a few rocks, the Moses Hill trail + Camp 5 + Bulldog Canyon would be a nice 2-hour loop out of Fish n' Fry. A warmup for the afternoon ride.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PVBCL4oE3g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PVBCL4oE3g)
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Osnabrock on June 14, 2012, 09:36:05 PM
QuoteFor those who like a few rocks, the Moses Hill trail + Camp 5 + Bulldog Canyon would be a nice 2-hour loop out of Fish n' Fry. A warmup for the afternoon ride.  :)
Maybe a Thursday afternoon ride?  I hope to be there in the early afternoon.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Dr Psyko on June 15, 2012, 12:59:38 PM
How does the infamous Camp 5 compare to Bulldog? Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: snooker on June 15, 2012, 01:39:59 PM
If you're collecting feedback... I think Sport and Jacin (and the mysterious Plumber Mike...) all know what I like to ride.  As much off road as possible, everything we did in our group last year was great.

Singletrack is great but can mean many things, it conjures up dirt bikes that are plated and barely legal, (and I'm not bringing my XR400).  The singletrack (or was it ATV can't remember) that we did last year that was all due south of Deerfield Lake... that was my favorite section of the entire weekend.  I would think it was ATV but anyhow it was very wide.. and not steep and rocky - can't do that on this bike (I mean Pilot Knob is about my limit). But somebody mentioned singletrack with lots of fallen logs --  hehe no thanks on my G650X with marginal ground clearance.   Also any river crossings more than a foot deep well this bike has a spark plug somewhere but few people have found it and fewer have a tool that will fit it. Crazy damn BMW. So I stay away from any potential drownings, and I'm more used to dry terrain.

Oh yeah and I'm not running my full knobbies this year, but Mefo Explorer 50/50-ish... so mud in general is not my thing.  I expect you had low snowfall this year like Colorado did anyhow...

LoinGrader thanks for this thread, I think it is a great idea!  I'll follow you guys wherever you go but it is always more fun to stay on the pegs and match the bikes ability!   SportF and LDave your lookout tower loop looks pretty intriguing I must say, don't know what the roads are like but I liked everything SportF took us on last time, even pushing GB's Tiger with street slicks up to Bear Mtn tower on Sunday!  yeah!

LDave, if by "short hike" you mean 10 minutes then hell yeah! I think we're all here to Ride!  Hiking in moto boots is well... you know. 

Ok that's my opinions!  Thanks for all the trip leaders!  p.s. my range is at least 120 miles...

Getting excited here...
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Bogus Jim on June 15, 2012, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: Dr PsykoHow does the infamous Camp 5 compare to Bulldog? Inquiring minds want to know.

On average, difficulty is about the same, but I'd say that Camp 5 has a couple short sections that are tougher than anything on Bulldog. Camp 5 is shorter and flat, Bulldog is probably 6-7 miles total according to MVUM and about a 1500-1600' climb. Camp 5 sometimes has deep water crossings but I think they'll be lower this year.

Quote from: OsnabrockMaybe a Thursday afternoon ride?  I hope to be there in the early afternoon.

If I am not riding Thursday, or if I'm riding elsewhere, I'll post a map and tracks so you can give it a whirl.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: greatbuffalo on June 16, 2012, 02:50:12 AM
No Tiger this spring. I'm coming armed with a KLR650 that my kid has been riding and the newly acquired WR250F. I waas going to bring the Tiger so my wife and I could do a little two-up but I don't think she's interested, would rather find some like minded women and do a wine tasting tour or something. I think my kid and I switch up from time to time if the KLR gets a little too much for him. He's a very new rider but doing very well. This will be his first time in the trails. Really looking forward to see how he does.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Osnabrock on June 16, 2012, 05:52:13 PM
Quote from: BogusJim on June 15, 2012, 03:16:17 PM
Quote from: Dr PsykoHow does the infamous Camp 5 compare to Bulldog? Inquiring minds want to know.

On average, difficulty is about the same, but I'd say that Camp 5 has a couple short sections that are tougher than anything on Bulldog. Camp 5 is shorter and flat, Bulldog is probably 6-7 miles total according to MVUM and about a 1500-1600' climb. Camp 5 sometimes has deep water crossings but I think they'll be lower this year.

Quote from: OsnabrockMaybe a Thursday afternoon ride?  I hope to be there in the early afternoon.

If I am not riding Thursday, or if I'm riding elsewhere, I'll post a map and tracks so you can give it a whirl.

That would be greatly appreciated Jim. 
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Osnabrock on June 16, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
The map that the forest service sends with the trail permit is HUGE.
For anyone interested, here's a link to some more manageable, printable maps of the area that the forest service offers. 
http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gjAwhwtDDw9_AI8zPyhQoYAOUjMeXDfODy-HWHg-zDrx8kb4ADOBro-3nk56bqF-RGGGSZOCoCAPi8eX8!/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfMjAwMDAwMDBBODBPSEhWTjJNMDAwMDAwMDA!/?navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&cid=stelprdb5292920&navid=360000000000000&pnavid=&ss=110203&position=Not%20Yet%20Determined.Html&ttype=detail&pname=Black%20Hills%20National%20Forest-%20Maps (http://www.fs.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsinternet/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3gjAwhwtDDw9_AI8zPyhQoYAOUjMeXDfODy-HWHg-zDrx8kb4ADOBro-3nk56bqF-RGGGSZOCoCAPi8eX8!/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfMjAwMDAwMDBBODBPSEhWTjJNMDAwMDAwMDA!/?navtype=BROWSEBYSUBJECT&cid=stelprdb5292920&navid=360000000000000&pnavid=&ss=110203&position=Not%20Yet%20Determined.Html&ttype=detail&pname=Black%20Hills%20National%20Forest-%20Maps)
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Bogus Jim on June 17, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
Here's the map and tracks for anyone who wants to try Moses Hill (trail 8035/6), Camp 5, and Bulldog Canyon. These are 3 fun intermediate trails not too far from the Fish n' Fry. I changed the route a bit because I figured Osnabrock and Griz don't want to pound the pavement on their dirt bikes.

The "dirt" route has only 1.3 miles of pavement and starts at Fish n' Fry and ends at the bottom of Bulldog Canyon. It's about 38 miles. If you turn around, come back up Bulldog, and head home on Galena road, the total out and back should be right around 60 miles. I put an alternate track in the track log if you want to start at the bottom of Bulldog Canyon, but you'll have to ride 7 miles of pavement plus 3 miles of interstate.

The "dual sport" route, for those who don't mind some pavement, goes through Sturgis and then south on a gravel Scenic Byway that will take you past Fort Meade National Cemetery. This route is also about 60 miles. There's an alternate track in the track log if you want to skip Camp 5 (the toughest part of the route).

A note on Moses Hill: I prefer to ride the loop counter-clock wise, because then you're going uphill through the tougher section. According to my GPS (which probably isn't very accurate), the steepest grade is 26% and the average is around 23%. For comparison, Hat Mountain is 22% and the powerline trail south of Deadwood is 17%. I don't think plated dirt bikes will have any trouble but it should be a fun challenge for dual sport bikes.

Map of dirt route:

(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx177/photoquark/Miscellaneous/Miscellaneous%202/Bulldog.png)

Fort Meade National Cemetery on dual sport route:

(http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx177/photoquark/July%202010/P1010181.jpg)


Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Osnabrock on June 17, 2012, 11:26:14 PM
Thanks Jim.
I think that will be my Thursday afternoon ride.
I don't quite know when I'll be arriving at camp, though I'm hoping it will be no later than 2 PM.
If anyone else is interested in riding the "dirt" route, let me know via PM before Tuesday night as I'm leaving Wednesday morning and won't have easy access after that. 
My bike is set up to ride as much pavement as necessary but my goal is to keep it to a minimum, being a two-stroke without a cush hub so that's the route I'm going the whole weekend.
I'll be picking your mind, Jim, for a good way to get down towards Johnson Siding and Jenny Gulch with the same considerations in mind.  If you have any suggested routes down there, let me know.
It was very nice, and useful, to be able to print out a hard copy of the route.  I'm not a GPS guy but instead have a love of maps in general.
Many thanks.  I'm so eager to get to the hills.
Title: TIRE DECISION HELP!!!
Post by: torgo on June 19, 2012, 08:21:52 PM
Help!!!

What do you think?  Should I change out my 1/2 tread Kenda 270 with 2500 miles on it for a NEW Michelin Starcross I have ( Not DOT don't tell) or just run the Kenda on the KLX?

I am bringing the KLX300R for my small bike and the KLR for the big one.

Oh yeah the KLX has Joni's skid plate she gave me on it so I got that 6 pack of Pepsi I owe her.

Thanks
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Sportfaller on June 19, 2012, 08:45:43 PM
Just bring the tire, we can always put it on if you need it, or maybe someone will need a spare. I sold a tube last year :o
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: JoniJo on June 19, 2012, 09:09:33 PM
Thanks for remembering Torgo. looking forward to seeing you in the Hills!        8)        Joni
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Wacked on June 20, 2012, 09:06:09 AM

John -

Todd and I should be there early afternoon on Thursday also - plan on leaving Billings about 7:30ish.  We'd sure join you and Griz on that loop Bogus mapped out.

Wacked
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: snooker on June 20, 2012, 12:52:00 PM
Thanks for the GPS tracks Jim, I put them on my Garmin.  Won't be there until after dark on Thurs but maybe I'll find a way to use them :)
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: revmaaatin on June 20, 2012, 02:29:59 PM
Quote from: The Yeti on June 14, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
That was Bulldog CANYON, right? The one we climbed for what seemed like about an hour?? I really wouldn't like coming *down* that one.   :o

I think it is better/easier to ride Bulldog Canyon N to S rather than S to N.
~8 miles.  takes about 8 minutes. cough.
Enter on the East side of th National Cemetary.
Exit at Veterans peak;  Mile Marker 11 on Vanoker Canyon.

revmaaatin.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: torgo on June 20, 2012, 07:58:35 PM
So when will anyone be ready to ride tomorrow?  Is there an official start time and place?  Wife is joining me tomorrow so some two up track is on mybike list.

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Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: The Yeti on June 20, 2012, 09:38:21 PM
Quote from: torgo on June 20, 2012, 07:58:35 PM
So when will anyone be ready to ride tomorrow?  Is there an official start time and place?  Wife is joining me tomorrow so some two up track is on mybike list.

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I won't be up until late Friday, but plan on doing some 2-up all day Saturday.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: Hank on June 20, 2012, 10:00:22 PM
Cara and I will be there tomorrow, but it might be too late to ride.  Not sure yet.
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: hayduke.klr07 on June 20, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
I am into riding/leading the ride i have lined out on Friday morning.  Follow someone on Saturday.

I think that my ride would be  OK for two-up riding most of the way.  For some short sections, if i were the second, i would dismount and walk up a few hundred yards.  There will be alot of dirt two-track, not so much ranch gravel hell, 110ish miles as low as 10% asphalt if you are so inclined.  No travel sticker needed.

Thought i would get to the fish and fry about 8:30ish.  If that works for someone, it works for me.  I think there will be three of us showing fri and two on saturday.


really looking forward to riding to full days! :cheers
Title: Re: Trail Leaders Needed
Post by: snooker on June 21, 2012, 10:00:36 AM
I'll be rolling in late Thurs but want to follow somebody on Fri so don't leave without me.. Hayduke or somebody.  1 up on 650 dual sport.  Black with Colo license "XC", orange/grey Marmot tent... can't miss me.  ;)